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oneoleguy 2008.10.08 23:50 
KenL wrote >>

thanks, that's the problem. I still have quite a bit to learn about this platform and these programs, but since you can run two of the autocash program, I should be able to run this robot and anouther robot or two at the same time. That way this could pick up its 1 trade per day and the others could fill the empty time such as overnight. The Forex AutoPilot and ForexTracer programs are both inexpensive and interesting.

I am going to set my RiskLevel to -.3 as well, I'd like to see more than the $5.00 profit per day in trading this Robot gives. I new to Meta Trader too, I'm testing another Robot as well. I installed the GBPUSD Wednesday robot, but it hasn't traded yet. Maybe I'll have to wait until next webnesday.


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5674 2008.10.09 00:36 
oneoleguy wrote >>

I am going to set my RiskLevel to -.3 as well, I'd like to see more than the $5.00 profit per day in trading this Robot gives. I new to Meta Trader too, I'm testing another Robot as well. I installed the GBPUSD Wednesday robot, but it hasn't traded yet. Maybe I'll have to wait until next webnesday.

I'm so glad I found this thread as I too, am new to the robots and have been following along to see that I wasn't the only one with curiousity.

So Far this week since I updated the new robot along with the Wednesday GB Robot, I had a $5 profit on Monday and Today, wednesday on the

USD/EUR robot. Early this morning when I woke up, the GB robot had made two trades within minutes of each other, one with a profit

of $12 and the other with $37. So I can confirm no losses at this time but I too would like to see more than $5. per day profit. When ever

I changed he RiskLevel to increase the trade, the robot never traded on those days. So if anyone has the right Risklevel combo that would

increase the .10 trade please let me know! Thanks and happy trading! Lori


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ttradr 2008.10.09 18:12 
oneoleguy wrote >>

I have ForexAutocash running on 2 EURUSD charts in the same platform, both generated trades this morning and are running concurrently. The trades were entered at 15:26 and 15:30. I've requested that they add a comment to the Robot, but now see that They should put the Reference # in the comment field of the trade and trade history screens.

Anyway, I'm using 2 different Reference #s, I just changed the last 2 digits of the original one.

Bill

Bill,

How do get 2 instances of ForexAutoCash to run at the same time?

Could you explain exactly? and how to change the reference numbers?

Also: I tried loading Artificial Intelligence alongside ForexAutoCash; when I load AI, Forex AutoCash immediatelydeinitializes


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oneoleguy 2008.10.09 21:27 
ttradr wrote >>

Bill,

How do get 2 instances of ForexAutoCash to run at the same time?

Could you explain exactly? and how to change the reference numbers?

Also: I tried loading Artificial Intelligence alongside ForexAutoCash; when I load AI, Forex AutoCash immediatelydeinitializes

O.K. ttradr,

Check the Tools/Options/Expert Advisors menu item. If the 2nd and 3rd boxes are checked, un-check them. This could be the reason one Advisor cancelled the other. Then, again, if you're trying to run 2 Advisors on the same chart, you can't do that. If you want to add the AI Advisor to a chart, you must load another copy of that chart and add it to the new chart.

Add a new chart for EURUSD by clicking the File/New Chart menu or the first icon (a big + sign) just below the word File at the top left of the main screen and attach the Advisor to that chart. BUT for a second copy of the ForexAutocash Advisor, you must remember to change the reference number in the Advisor's Properties.

Changing the reference number is covered in the Users Manual.

Bill


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oneoleguy 2008.10.09 21:33 
5674 wrote >>

I'm so glad I found this thread as I too, am new to the robots and have been following along to see that I wasn't the only one with curiousity.

So Far this week since I updated the new robot along with the Wednesday GB Robot, I had a $5 profit on Monday and Today, wednesday on the

USD/EUR robot. Early this morning when I woke up, the GB robot had made two trades within minutes of each other, one with a profit

of $12 and the other with $37. So I can confirm no losses at this time but I too would like to see more than $5. per day profit. When ever

I changed he RiskLevel to increase the trade, the robot never traded on those days. So if anyone has the right Risklevel combo that would

increase the .10 trade please let me know! Thanks and happy trading! Lori

Lori,

I'm experimented with changing the RiskLevel to a -.3 and got a $15 profit. My guess is that I can get more by changing that variable. I set it to -2.0 to see if that will produce a large profit. I'll let you know when it trades again.

I loaded the Wednesday GB Advisor yesterday morning, but it didn't trade yesterday.

Bill


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KenL 2008.10.09 22:56 

Rasing the risk setting is great for this test, but we are all still trading demo accounts. In real money trading the psychology changes a bit. In real money trading we have to acknowledge that raising the risk setting, raises the risk as well as the gains.
Also in real money trading there is more of a problem with slippage than on a demo account, and the robot does not seem to adjust the target according to the entry price. It sets the target initialy and holds it. If you dont get in at the initial price, due to slippage, or a weak conection, or any other sort of error, its your profit that is affected. The other day my program failed to enter a trade on the first try, and entered 1 minute later at a higher price, it still sold at the original target for a 3 pip loss. These sort of problems will become much more evident when we put real money on the line.

So far this robot seems very good at avoiding losses, that doesnt mean it is very good at avoiding mistakes. A 5 pip gain is a microscopic day trade. Anything longer than that is a mistake. If we get stuck in an overnight trade, we had better make sure that we have the interest carry on our side.
This is one of the hidden benefits of Forex trading that the brokerages dont talk about, getting paid just to hold a position. They dont make any money on the interest carry. They make all their money on the spread, so they promote short term day trading. The EURUSD is still paying 2.00 ona full lot, but there is no guarentee that the Euro will continue to pay more interest than the dollar.
Anyway, this program is running well so far. Little tiny gains and no losses. Just remember this is a demo account, everything changes when we step up to the plate with our real money.
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ttradr,
To change the reference #, when you bring up the expert advisor, from the navigator menu, or by pressing f7, or from the toolbar, you'll find the reference # right above the Authenticode, just change it.
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Several people have mentioned other EA's. I've looked at a couple of the commercialy available programs, and the one on the top of my list right now is the Forex Robot Trader, from www.forexrobottrader.com/. It can manage up to 10 positions at once, across multiple currencies and multiple time frames, you have to load each chart seperately. It costs $200, and there is a great review and impartial comparison between the top robots on www.forex-robots.com/. The author is currently running live money comparisons between ForexAutoPilot, ForexTracer, ForexRobotTrader, and anouther. This is his second testing, the first ran from June 1-Sept 1, ForexRobotTrader won that one and is currently in the lead on the new test. These tests are being conducted on IBFX and he offers passwords to follow them in real time.


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KenL 2008.10.10 17:38 

Anouther perfect trade this morning. At least as perfect as it gets on a demo account!

12 pip gain in 2 min, 15:54@1.3519 - 15:56@1.3531. With my position size set at 3 mini's, thats 36.00 dollars. The system has now paid for itself, at least in demo dollars, and my $5,000 account is up by $98, with no real trading effort at all.

This does not mean it will do as well with real money. I have read several reviews from robot testers who claim that many of their robots are profitable on demo accounts and not with real money. There is a difference, they claim real money accounts experience more slippage in the entry price.

In reviewing the experts messages I notice the robot tried to get in this trade 3 times, 08:54:35@1.3528, 08:55:37@1.3523, and 08:55:52@1.3519. This accounts for the oversized gain of 12 pips. This robot does not adjust its target when it adjusts its entry. This is not slippage, the slippage setting is only 5 pips, this is resetting the buy limit. In this case it droped the buy limit by 9 pips, and made an extra profit, I have seen it do the opposite and raise the buy limit, giving away its gain and taking a 3 pip loss.


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5674 2008.10.11 02:53 
oneoleguy wrote >>

Lori,

I'm experimented with changing the RiskLevel to a -.3 and got a $15 profit. My guess is that I can get more by changing that variable. I set it to -2.0 to see if that will produce a large profit. I'll let you know when it trades again.

I loaded the Wednesday GB Advisor yesterday morning, but it didn't trade yesterday.

Bill

Thank you Bill, I"ll try that! My Wednesday GB traded twice within minutes of each other for a more profitable result. I've also been reviewing the forex-killer....not a robot but so far it's very excellent with calculating the signals. I'm amazed.

Kent, I found that Steinitz robot the other night too from another review site.... http://forex-systems-reviews.com/index.html he's added some video commentaries too.

Have a great weekend everyone

Lori


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chicago 2008.10.11 15:41 
KenL wrote >>

Anouther perfect trade this morning. At least as perfect as it gets on a demo account!

12 pip gain in 2 min, 15:54@1.3519 - 15:56@1.3531. With my position size set at 3 mini's, thats 36.00 dollars. The system has now paid for itself, at least in demo dollars, and my $5,000 account is up by $98, with no real trading effort at all.

This does not mean it will do as well with real money. I have read several reviews from robot testers who claim that many of their robots are profitable on demo accounts and not with real money. There is a difference, they claim real money accounts experience more slippage in the entry price.

In reviewing the experts messages I notice the robot tried to get in this trade 3 times, 08:54:35@1.3528, 08:55:37@1.3523, and 08:55:52@1.3519. This accounts for the oversized gain of 12 pips. This robot does not adjust its target when it adjusts its entry. This is not slippage, the slippage setting is only 5 pips, this is resetting the buy limit. In this case it droped the buy limit by 9 pips, and made an extra profit, I have seen it do the opposite and raise the buy limit, giving away its gain and taking a 3 pip loss.

oneoleguy wrote >>

Lori,

I'm experimented with changing the RiskLevel to a -.3 and got a $15 profit. My guess is that I can get more by changing that variable. I set it to -2.0 to see if that will produce a large profit. I'll let you know when it trades again.

I loaded the Wednesday GB Advisor yesterday morning, but it didn't trade yesterday.

Bill


Why don't a group of us try specific yet different settings and compare results at the end of next week's trading??

For example, I will increase my risk rate to 20% but leave all other settings alone. At the end of next weeks trading I will post my results (on a trade-by-trade basis).


Anyone else wishing to join this experiment? This should cut down individual testing time dramatically.


Here are my stats before I start:

Account: My Account
Name: chic@go
Currency: USD 2008 October 10, 23:00
Closed Transactions:
TicketOpen TimeTypeSizeItem PriceS / LT / PClose Time PriceCommissionTaxesSwapProfit
411459472008.09.30 23:03balanceDeposit5 000.00
412967812008.10.01 14:56buy0.10eurusd1.40941.34440.00002008.10.06 12:141.35660.000.00-0.96-528.00
422168292008.10.06 16:27buy0.10eurusd1.35911.29410.00002008.10.06 16:371.35960.000.000.005.00
428642522008.10.08 14:02buy0.10eurusd1.36101.29570.00002008.10.08 14:051.36600.000.000.0050.00
428658432008.10.08 14:04buy0.10eurusd1.36251.29750.00002008.10.08 14:051.36610.000.000.0036.00
432054422008.10.09 17:02buy0.10eurusd1.36671.30170.00002008.10.09 17:081.36730.000.000.006.00
434801992008.10.10 15:53buy0.10eurusd1.35281.28780.00002008.10.10 15:561.35330.000.000.005.00

0.00 0.00 -0.96 -426.00
Closed P/L: -426.96


Gross Profit: 102.00 Gross Loss: 528.96 Total Net Profit: -426.96
Profit Factor: 0.19 Expected Payoff: -71.16
Absolute Drawdown: 528.96 Maximal Drawdown: 528.96 (10.58%) Relative Drawdown: 10.58% (528.96)

Total Trades: 6 Short Positions (won %): 0 (0.00%) Long Positions (won %): 6 (83.33%)
Profit Trades (% of total): 5 (83.33%) Loss trades (% of total): 1 (16.67%)
Largest profit trade: 50.00 loss trade: -528.96
Average profit trade: 20.40 loss trade: -528.96
Maximum consecutive wins ($): 5 (102.00) consecutive losses ($): 1 (-528.96)
Maximal consecutive profit (count): 102.00 (5) consecutive loss (count): -528.96 (1)
Average consecutive wins: 5 consecutive losses: 1


The original loss was probably due to an error on my part whilst trying to get trades started. I closed this trade manually!

Current Dummy Account Value = 4,537.04 (Starting point for next week)


My Settings for next week's trading:

Risk Level = 20%

S/L = 650

Slippage = 5

GMT Offset = 3 (not needed but I'm sharing all my settings)


To get some valid info it would be better to change only one parameter - that way there will be no confusion over which change has the best effect on trading.

Can one of you try the following settings: RL=10%; S/L = change up/down; Slippage = 5; etc.

Another RL=10%; S/L=650; Slippage=change up/down; etc.


These were "tests" I was going to run over the coming weeks. If we do it as a group, testing time will fall and we can disregard any settings which have a negative effect on trading.


Cheerz

chic@go


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oneoleguy 2008.10.11 20:39 

Hi All,

I had my RiskLevel set to 10% in the 1st 2 trades, -.3 in the 3rd trade and -2.0 in the 4th trade. Next week I'm setting the RiskLevel to -4 to see what happens:

Account: My Account Name: oneoleguy Currency: USD 2008 October 10, 23:00
Closed Transactions:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Close Time Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
42215757 2008.10.06 16:26 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3586 1.2936 0.0000 2008.10.06 16:30 1.3591 0.00 0.00 0.00 5.00
42949319 2008.10.08 16:45 buy 0.10 eurusd 1.3678 1.3028 1.3683 2008.10.08 16:50 1.3683 0.00 0.00 0.00 5.00
43207064 2008.10.09 17:03 buy 0.30 eurusd 1.3663 1.3013 1.3668 2008.10.09 17:07 1.3668 0.00 0.00 0.00 15.00
43480263 2008.10.10 15:53 buy 2.00 eurusd 1.3528 1.2878 1.3533 2008.10.10 15:56 1.3533 0.00 0.00 0.00 100.00
0.00 0.00 0.00 125.00
Closed P/L: 125.00
Open Trades:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Price Commission Taxes Swap Profit
No transactions
0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
Floating P/L: 0.00
Working Orders:
Ticket Open Time Type Size Item Price S / L T / P Market Price
No transactions
Summary:
Deposit/Withdrawal: 0.00 Credit Facility: 0.00
Closed Trade P/L: 125.00 Floating P/L: 0.00 Margin: 0.00
Balance: 5 153.62 Equity: 5 153.62 Free Margin: 5 153.62

Bill

PS. chic@go you could run multiple EURUSD charts with different settings if you wish. Remember to change the reference number in the 2nd, 3rd, etc.

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